Peaceful Muslims?
May 20th 2010 20:17
So I have been reading today about how Pakistan has banned a variety of websites form their country. The two that I saw listed are Facebook and YouTube. The reason for this ban is that the Muslims think that pictures of Islam's prophet Muhammad are blasphemous, no matter if they are favorable or not.
The government is apparently trying to keep Muslims from taking to the streets in protests and rampage, like has occurred in other countries. They hope that this will reduce the anger that the Muslims have for the government, who they see as supporters of the West (AKA United States).
So let me get this straight. Muslims say they will kill people if they draw pictures of their prophet, so web access it limited to the entire country and the liberals still want us to believe that Muslims are peaceful. If I were to tell the world that I was going to kill everyone that drew a picture of Jesus, would I be considered peaceful? Of course not.
So why did all of this come about? Well, sometime in 2009, an American show by the name of “South Park” displayed a picture of the prophet Muhammad. I do not watch the show so I have not seen the picture. Apparently this got all of the Muslims mad and someone decided to protest the Muslims of the work by creating a page on Facebook and having people display an image of the prophet Muhammad on Amy 20, 2010. Here is something describing it.
This is just crazy. In the past few years we have heard about Muslims rioting in other countries over this type of thing. I think the only reason we have not seen it over here is because the Muslims know if they pulled that crap here it would not turn out so well for them. There are still a few of us conservative, American loving people left. Although they are trying to make us politically correct, we will defend what we believe. I wish I had a picture of Muhammad to put on here...that is some funny stuff!!!!!
The government is apparently trying to keep Muslims from taking to the streets in protests and rampage, like has occurred in other countries. They hope that this will reduce the anger that the Muslims have for the government, who they see as supporters of the West (AKA United States).
So why did all of this come about? Well, sometime in 2009, an American show by the name of “South Park” displayed a picture of the prophet Muhammad. I do not watch the show so I have not seen the picture. Apparently this got all of the Muslims mad and someone decided to protest the Muslims of the work by creating a page on Facebook and having people display an image of the prophet Muhammad on Amy 20, 2010. Here is something describing it.
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This is just crazy. In the past few years we have heard about Muslims rioting in other countries over this type of thing. I think the only reason we have not seen it over here is because the Muslims know if they pulled that crap here it would not turn out so well for them. There are still a few of us conservative, American loving people left. Although they are trying to make us politically correct, we will defend what we believe. I wish I had a picture of Muhammad to put on here...that is some funny stuff!!!!!
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Comment by angelbird72
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If one person resonds to an affront to their faith with threats (an action I think you'll find is not restricted to muslim people), we should go out of our way to re-offend all people of that faith, including those people who have not responded in that way, but simply are saddened and hurt?
I do not agree with internet censorship. Indeed the Australian government is proposing to introduce it here and I have been quite vocal in my opposition to that. But hurting people and making the internet slightly more odious is certainly not the answer.
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Comment by Spring-Heeled Jack
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You wouldn't go around shoving hamburgers into the mouths of Hindus (I hope!), so why offend Muslims with a depiction of their founding figure, just because 'you can'?
Also, you might want to make a quick dip into the history books, because Christianity most certainly HAS had incredibly violent incidents in its past, particularly during the Middle Ages and Renaissance periods (the massacre in Paris immediately springs to mind).
In the grand scheme of things, Christianity went through the bulk of its militant evolution roughly 1100-1600 years after it was founded. Islam, which was founded 600 years later, is currently at that age, and seems to be going through a similar evolutionary process. That is no excuse for violent acts, of course, but I do think it brings some much-need perspective to the situation.
Comment by sam sall
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IT IA WELL known thats are DRAWING pictures to the prophet is VERY Un-ISLAMIC it is really off limit ...people need to respect that .
Why is prohibited .because he peace be up on him did not want to leave figure that will might worship instead of God ,just like what happened in other religions ..
Nations allover the world express their anger in protests and if the someone who they are protest against tries to escalate thing ..you will hear the killing threats coming out ..any how this killing also un-Islamic ..people need to control their anger ,as most of these flaming issues are coming from people who are ignorant and superficial .So in my opinion they doesn't deserve to be dignified with a response ,they just want to be contraversal or just want to be famous or to generate more traffic to their website .
May be Pakistan banned those sites because it is not right to look for the prophet pictures ..
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The image of Mohammed have been protested before, and terror by Muslims on American soil didn't first happen on 9/11.
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I do find it funny that those who have a problem with your post, bring up the Christians as the other religion(s)!
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Although their rules may be different to a white secular society at least they have some, we seem to have very few and to honest i am completely happy with that
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Comment by angelbird72
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-S.L.: Those people in Islamic countries who approve of brutality to women and the various permutations of sharia law probably do stay there. But the fact is that brutality to women, or heck, killing in general are not part of the religion of Islam. They are part of the cultures of those countries. And feel free to disagree with them, I certainly do, but don't overgeneralise to every Muslim person.
And if you "quite sane" and then spent every day with people being suspicious or down right cruel and violent towards you because of your appearance or beliefs, if you were feeling so very isolated from society, don't you think it's possible that you might get a little bit warped? Remember too that every Muslim in the western world isn't running around killing people. There's a lovely Muslim man who lives up the road from me who comes around every now and then to give me a hand with my French for uni. In a large population there will always be those who have a predisposition towards mental illness, and you can't always tell who it is, even if you're very close to them.
And since when are Muslim people trying to force their beliefs onto anyone else any more than any other world religion? Do they go door to door during dinner time trying to convert people? Have you ever seen a big billboard advertising Islam and Mohammed?
-stugod: you have very few rules huh? Is that true, or are you just not aware of the rules that hold western societies together, i.e. the law?
Comment by S.L.
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I won't spend much time on "honor killings" that Muslims do, there's been a sickening amount of coverage of that.
Comment by angelbird72
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I have no idea about the schools removing things from their curriculum so I can't comment.
And as for the cross, I have no problem with people wearing a cross, but I ask you if wearing the cross is necessary to be a devout Christian? Are you essentially naked without a cross? Because making a Muslim woman or girl to go without the scarf is like making your run-of-the-mill western woman go topless.
Yes, businesses should allow Muslim workers to stop and pray, it's called not discriminating based on religion - a foundation stone of American society I believe.
Muslim workers are not forcing YOU to stop and pray, they simply ask to be able to observe their own beliefs. You can't let someone take a five minute break in a private place? You'd let a woman on her period do that.
And you know what, Christian holidays offend me. I am not Muslim, but nor am I Christian. And I don't like having someone else's religion, like the graphic depiction of the crucifixion in a shopping mall in Victoria last Easter in Australia, shoved down my throat. It distresses me to see that. Cool, put out a Christmas tree or lights to celebrate the festive season, but use some discretion.
How is asking for tolerance of religious beliefs transforming America into the fundamentalist, hard line countries we're talking about?
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As for the holidays, be offended all you like. The reason for Christmas is the BIRTH OF CHRIST and the reason for Easter is His Resurrection. Do you refuse to accept Christmas gifts? Or take the day off work? Then keep your offendedness to yourself. Go ahead and worship a tree, a rock or nothing at all and I won't be the least bit offended. But don't make a big deal out of expecting the rest of the world to change to accommodate you. Muslims and atheists are the most easily offended people in the world and the rest of the people are probably getting really tired of it. I know I am.
You know what offends me? A father killing his daughters because they aren't perfect muslims. Young girls being sexually mangled. Men throwing acid in women's faces. And hearing from muslim preachers that they want America and Israel destroyed. Those things offend me. Their holidays and their "holy" book don't offend me (unless some idiot expects me to bow down before them like the sludge in our White House does).
Comment by sam sall
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prayers time at work is never a problem ...Muslims prays in their break or they just ask friends to cover them for few mins and they will return the favor by covering them ,prayer time takes 2-5 min maximum, you can prolong it if u have time ...I have 2 Jewish friends at a hospital i used to work in, one of them used to take permissions to pray ...and used to refuse to take oncalls at sometime of the year so he can attends the daily religious activity with his family ...but no one felt a problem with that...
S.L about the examples you keep mentioning of people killing their familes ...may be they are abusive and mental people who can exist in any race . I worked in ER in a very cevilized European country where I was called frequently to examin rap victims ..I saw lots of cases from a demented grandmothers and 2 years childe being abused by a relative .....They were from different races and belives and, they were heartbreaking senarios
And it is very true that for a Muslim girl who cover her hair ..and she was forced to remove it ...she will feel the same feelings of that western lady if she was forced to be toppless ..I know that to you this is tough to grasp but it's very true....
As for Christmas ,there is nothing really offending ...It's usually national a religious holiday for the country celebrating it....I can understand that as in my country our religious holidays is well celebrated ....
The cross wearing I see it alot ,it's very common here in my Islamic country between the Christian employees ....no one forced them to remove it ....it will not harm anyone else but it will give people who wear it good feelings ...why to remove it ?!
Comment by S.L.
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And yes, in some schools and work places Christians are forbidden to wear crosses while Muslim's can wear head gear and nobody objects. Either ban it all or leave everyone alone! Isn't that fair?
Muslims aren't doing themselves any favors by making demands. They're causing a lot of resentment that wouldn't be necessary if they'd just live in their country and let others do the same. There is even a suggestion that the USA might be insane enough to allow Shariah law to be practiced. You can't have a population governed by two different sets of laws. It only leads to anarchy.
Comment by stugod
I myself have lots of rules No 1 being take as i find. Regardless of race religion or any other guff.
No 2 I do not give a fiddlers fart about what any other member of the human race is up to, as long as it does not effect me. And ps I was delighted when the volcano erupted in Iceland as I thought people might stop and think HOLD ON we are sat on a burnt out star hurtling through space and we are sat hear talking about bullshit. Well the roses do need a bit at this time of year